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Wer kann mir Erklärungen zu Haida-Symbole geben?

Beitragvon lj » 14.10.2005 16:04

Hallo Zusammen
Kennst sich jemand aus mit den Haida-Symbolen?
Habe gehört, dass jedes Symbol eine bedeutung hat.
Habe aber nirgends die genauen Erklährungen zu diesen Motiven
gefunden.

Wäre Euch sehr dankbar, wenn Ihr mir weiterhelfen könntet.

Danke und schönes Weekend!
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Beitragvon DieMoldern » 17.10.2005 14:49

also ich hab noch nie von Haida Symbolen gehört, wie sehen die denn aus?
Keine Angst das geht schon gut!
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Beitragvon Phoebe » 17.10.2005 15:56

@ DieMoldern: Haida sind Indianer. Die Symbole sehen eigentlich aus wie typische Indianer-Motive.

@ lj: Dieses Buch könnte interessant für dich sein. Ist allerdings nur in Englisch erhältlich.
"Haida Art" George MacDonald. Das Buch bekommst du eigentlich in jeder grösseren Bibliothek.
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Beitragvon lj » 18.10.2005 13:31

Besten Dank für den Buchtip, jetzt hab ich mal einen Namen eines Buches, nach dem ich suchen kann. Bis jetzt hat mir keine Buchhandlung weiterhelfen können und ich war bestimmt schon in 10 verschiedenen.

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Beitragvon Phoebe » 18.10.2005 18:59

Ja, das Problem kenne ich. Ich habe mal eine Seminararbeit über vom "Aussterben bedrohte" Sprachen geschrieben, da hatte ich die Sprache der Haida als Schwerpunkt. War echt schwierig an Literatur zu kommen :-/
Wünsch dir viel Erfolg!
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Beitragvon TRIBAL MOON TATTOO » 20.10.2005 23:07

Könnte dir weiterhelfen.
Was Speziel suchst du denn. Und was genau möchtest du wissen.
War erst vor ein paar wochen in Vancouver Canada also Haida Land.
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Beitragvon TRIBAL MOON TATTOO » 20.10.2005 23:08

Könnte dir weiterhelfen.
Was Speziel suchst du denn. Und was genau möchtest du wissen.
War erst vor ein paar wochen in Vancouver Canada also Haida Land.
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Beitragvon neo » 24.10.2005 20:55

ich hoffe, du kannst englisch.
Symbols and Animals in Native Culture
Raven
Raven is known as Transformer, Trickster, Hero, Creator and is one of the two main crests of the Haida. Legends credit Raven with, among other things, releasing the Sun and Moon, bringing water and fish and, according to the Haida, discovering mankind in a clamshell.

Eagle
Eagle is seen as a symbol of both power and prestige as well as a harbinger of peace and friendship. Eagle feathers are still considered sacred and were part of many ceremonies and rituals. Eagle is the other of the two main crests of the Haida.

Sun
Released from a box by Raven, Sun Chief inhabited the sky and it is believed he could be reached by climbing a chain of arrows, and sliding down its long rays. The Sun is often carved on totems and masks and sits atop the tallest totem pole.

Frog
Frog is a symbol of prosperity, considered friendly as it is said he warns humans of imminent danger. Haida peoples carved Frog on house poles to prevent them from falling over. Tlingit legend tells of a chief?s daughter who laughed at Frog and was lured into the lake by a frog in human form. Frog People refused to let her go, so her family drained the lake, thus scattering frogs everywhere.

Dogfish
(Shark) A crest often applied to utilitarian objects, the Dogfish is often portrayed with a labret on its lip, a reminder of a legend of a woman carried off by Dogfish a long time ago.

Otter
It is said that, in early times, when the great Transformer was travelling the land, he came across a man sharpening a spear with which to kill him. He turned the man into an otter and the spear became its tail.

Hummingbird
The beautiful, tiny bird once abundant on the West Coast is known by the whimsical name Sha Sen.
Bear
Powerful and human-like, Bear is referred to as Elder Kinsman and is treated as a high-ranking guest when killed. A legend shared by many tribes tells of a chief?s daughter abducted by a bear; she subsequently married the bear and gave birth to twin cubs. This legend is often depicted in both prints and carvings.

Whale
Whale is the sea manifestation of Wolf; it is held in great awe for its size and power. It was believed a whale could capture a canoe, take it underwater and transform the occupants into whales. Thus, a whale near the shore is a human, transformed, trying to communicate with his family.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird is the most powerful supernatural creature. He lived in the mountains and fed on whales. When he flapped his wings, thunder rolled; he kept lightning snakes under his wings to aid him in killing whales. For this reason, whalers painted lightning snakes on their canoes.

Halibut
An abundant food for the Kwagiutl, Halibut was believed to throw off its skin and tail to become the first Human after the Great Flood subsided. The Tlingit say the Queen Charlotte Islands were given their present shape by a halibut that grew to enormous size and broke up the island by the crashing of its tail, thus, were people scattered about.

Moon
The Moon was the exclusive crest of only a few of the highest-ranking chiefs among the Haida; rights to this crest are still inherited. Raven is said to have released Moon and the stars are pieces of Moon, flung into the sky. An eclipse was said to be a codfish trying to swallow the moon and a bonfire, set with green boughs, choked the cod and stopped it.
Wolf
An important family crest, Wolf was revered for his skill as a hunter. To become a good hunter, one must acquire the spirit power associated with Wolf. Haida legends have a supernatural Sea Wolf, Wasgo, a creature part Wolf and part Whale.

Beaver
An important crest of the Haida and a creature very often depicted on totem poles, Beaver is said to have once been a woman. Tsimshian legend tells of a woman who dammed a stream so she could swim in it and then she refused to get out. She was transformed and her leather apron became Beaver?s tail.

Sisiutl
(Kwagiutl) A mythical two-headed sea serpent that guarded the entrance to the homes of the supernaturals, Sisiutl was believed to kill and eat anyone who saw it; washing in its blood turned a person to stone. Transformed into a self-propelled canoe that must be fed seals, this is a creature unique to Kwagiutl mythology.

Salmon
The staple food of may coastal Natives was brought to the rivers and seas by Raven. Many celebrated the first catch of the season with ceremonies of thanksgiving, to ensure a good harvest.


Mosquito
Tsimshian legend tells of a mother whose child was killed by a blood-sucking mosquito. She hid in a tree by a lake and when the chief of mosquitoes came along, she laughed at him. Enraged, he dove at her reflection and when he got out of the water, he froze to death. They burned his body, and the ashes became hundreds of tiny mosquitoes.

Loon
The melancholic-sounding bird was said to have delighted in frightening humans on shore or in canoes, as fog rolled in.

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Blabla usw.Suche Namen des Symbols und Haida in Anführungsstrichen
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Beitragvon neo » 24.10.2005 21:20

Ach, falls übrigens noch einer ne Frage zu religiösen oder sonstigen Symbolen hat: kann ich vielleicht helfen. Ich sammel grade fürn Buch.
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Beitragvon lj » 28.10.2005 16:37

wow... besten Dank!
Super, das hilft mir weiter!

Nochmals danke für Eure Hilfe!
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Beitragvon neo » 28.10.2005 17:58

schön :wink:
Bei diesen "indianischen" Symbolen-Indianer gibts ja nicht wirklich- ist alles sehr eng mit den zum Teil sehr komplizierten Schöpfungsmythen der einzelnen Stämme verquickt, es gibt tausend Tabus und so weiter...

wenn du da weiter recherchieren willst, versuch es mit native american und mythology.
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